Oh we also found out when John's grandmother died that John's dad - her oldest - was well, illegitimate. lol! Something none of us ever knew. So we could never go that route on finding out his information. We always wondered why John's dad (and John and his siblings) look NOTHING like the rest of the family. Everyone else clearly looks like his grandmother or the pictures of her first husband. The only way we found out was in the bottom of her jewelry box was a picture of his grandmother holding his father and had them both listed as her maiden name. Then we hunted up her very old records and found out he'd have been one when she married her first husband. It was all very funny to us because she had his dad at 16, but she always said that didn't matter because SHE was married then. The old liar.
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