LOST! (spoilers)

[nikkiARNGwife]

Just total awesomeness! I love how all the pieces are starting to connect...I love how we really don't have to theorize anymore...just sit back and let the story unfold.

Desmond ♥
Charlie ♥

and we got to see Daniel and Penny

I'm so going to miss this show

[jenn7]

I'm going to miss it too. But I have to say, I'm wondering if it's ever going to all make sense? I just don't want to be disappointed.

[maryinaz]

Not loving how it's going. Just more confusion instead of answers. I really hope they don't try to tie everything up in the very last show and instead take a few shows to do it.

[nikkiARNGwife]

I'm not really confused..I mean I guess a little but that's just part of why the show has always been so good to me..trying to figure it all out . But they are dropping HUGE answers to questions...we now know for certain that the ATL isn't just filler ..it serves a purpose..which Desmond is apparently the key to. The bomb must have been a "reboot"...it altered their lives to how it would have been if the crash hadn't happened..but it's not an "alternate reality/universe" kind of thing...they DID go to the island...those things did happen to them and they're starting to remember.

I loved the scene with Des/Charlie in the car...that was an awesome way to jolt him into remembering.

And Eloise knows...she seemed to know a lot when she was talking to Des...and of course she wants him to let it go..b/c in the ATL Daniel is alive.

[LibbysMommy]

I loved last night's episode. I love Desmond even more now!! And Nikki - you are my Lost guru!! lol I love listening to you talk about it and your theories!! It makes a lot of things make sense!!

[switchwiz]

Love your insights, Nikki, but kinda freaked out how Des was acting after they turned on the machine and he lived through it. How compliant to what everyone wanted. But I guess this is kind of making sense somewhat.

[nikkiARNGwife]

lol Laurie! I think I'm just a tad bit obsessed..I drive DH crazy after we watch an episode b/c I won't stop talking about/analyzing it lol

Marcia...I think what happened with Des (and this is just my theory) is that he understands...he was jumping in this episode like he did in the episode "the constant" that happened after the hatch imploded. So it wasn't like he was dreaming..he was really in both places at the same time kind of thing...and i think he just "got it" whatever "it" is that he's supposed to do to course correct everything..to give them all the "happily ever after" they all want. but that's just my theory...I'm still checking my email every 10 minutes today waiting to see what Doc Jensen has to say about last nights epi

[MissKim]

Ack, I'll come back and actually read this after work (on lunch) but wanted to say that when Charlie was running through the hospital, I was yelling, "Run, Charlie, Run" and praying that gown would gap a little more.

Loved it!

[maryinaz]

But Desmond wasn't on the original flight 815. He was already on the island when that flight happened - had been for 3 years. He had already met Penny before the island or she wouldn't have been looking for him. Last night they had him flying back on 815 and Penny not existing to him yet. So his sideways is totally different from everyone else's who just came back from Sydney and continued their lives. They made it seem like the island didn't exist, not just the 815 crash, with all the Des/Widmore stuff.

Or else I'm missing something - I did watch the first 5 seasons pretty fast. But right now it's just a huge mess to me and I want to throw my hands up and quit watching.

[nikkiARNGwife]

Originally Posted by maryinaz

But Desmond wasn't on the original flight 815. He was already on the island when that flight happened - had been for 3 years. He had already met Penny before the island or she wouldn't have been looking for him. Last night they had him flying back on 815 and Penny not existing to him yet. So his sideways is totally different from everyone else's who just came back from Sydney and continued their lives. They made it seem like the island didn't exist, not just the 815 crash, with all the Des/Widmore stuff.

Or else I'm missing something - I did watch the first 5 seasons pretty fast. But right now it's just a huge mess to me and I want to throw my hands up and quit watching.

But their lives in the ATL BEFORE the flight are all different as well...so the "reboot" affected things in all sorts of ways and Des being on the plane is just part of that...their lives are different..but better in the ATL. Sawyer's a cop...Jack has a son...Locke is paralyzed but seemingly happy anyway..Hurley is rich but without all the "curse of the numbers" thing...I don't know how it will all play out and what exactly happened with the bomb....but I don't think it's a "past life" kind of thing like some people have theorized...I think it all has to do with the space/time thing. Confusing...definitely...but what a story!

[Nettio]

Great episode! First episode of the season that really felt like Lost to me. Here's some of my random thoughts, haha:

Super super excited to see Daniel back with his science mumbo-jumbo. I think he's right in his thinking that something is off about the ALT timeline.

I'd always thought the two timelines would eventually bleed together so I was excited to see that start happening. The scene with Charlie in the car was a crazy good way to do it.

I'm really curious about what Eloise meant by this being a "violation." She clearly knows what's going on but why? Is she tied into Jacob/MIB somehow? Is she some kind of off-island puppetmaster like Richard?

Desmond and Penny

Biggest disappointment of the episode: That Sayid didn't shoot Zoe. I was seriously yelling at the tv "Shoot her! Shoot her!" so we could be rid of her god awful acting. I really hope she is killed off before the show ends.

That last scene with Desmond creeped me out. I know he's "seen the light" or something but he seemed rather zombie like. It's one thing for him to be agreeable with Widmore but going along with what Sayid said so quickly kind of worries me.

[rochelle789]

I loved this episode...finally!!! As for the space-time continuum thing, I always think of Back to the Future, how when in the past, an event that occurs can change the course of the future (think Marty going to the dance with his mother in place of his father). That seems to be exactly what the ATL is.

Such a great episode!

[rochelle789]

Oh, and I just have to add that I've never liked Charlie, and I still don't like him. I'm not sure why. But Sayid and Desmond....

[dana]

loooooooved the episode last night i don't even pretend to understand everything - LOL - but i LOVE the way i feel when watching it! i literally get goosebumps when something 'clicks' for me and i figure out a piece of the puzzle!

[LoriJ]

love love love this show! And I love your theories on it all too! But what about Sun and Jin, they don't seem to be doing so good in the ALT universe? So you think that means that they are meant to be the keepers of the island?

[nikkiARNGwife]

Originally Posted by LoriJ

love love love this show! And I love your theories on it all too! But what about Sun and Jin, they don't seem to be doing so good in the ALT universe? So you think that means that they are meant to be the keepers of the island?

I guess it's not really that the ATL is better exactly...just different...but also the same lol...totally confusing...

[maryinaz]

OK, I figured out my problem...I am just never happy with an episode that doesn't have Sawyer and/or Jack in it rather prominently. Although Desmond comes in at a close 3rd to them.

[mishou]

Originally Posted by Nettio

I'm really curious about what Eloise meant by this being a "violation." She clearly knows what's going on but why? Is she tied into Jacob/MIB somehow? Is she some kind of off-island puppetmaster like Richard?

You know, I'm starting to think so. . . . . Maybe she's the "crazy mother" that MIB was talking about having? I don't know. But something is up with her for sure. She knows way too much. She definitely seems to be in a position where she has power to control things.

I'm loving how things are coming together! I am starting to be at peace with the fact that we're never going to have all the answers to stuff from previous seasons. But I'm cool with it because the story they have woven for this final season is AMAZING. I'm loving every second.

Some questions after last night . . .

How come in some of the ALT flashbacks Desmond has a wedding ring and other times he doesn't? Was that an error or significant to the plot?

Also I think it's clear now that in both universes Daniel is the son of Charles and Eloise . . . but who is Penny's mother? I can't remember if that's ever been mentioned.

[Keely~B]

I must be really easy to please Charlie + Daniel + Penmond YAY!!!

[nikkiARNGwife]

Originally Posted by mishou

You know, I'm starting to think so. . . . . Maybe she's the "crazy mother" that MIB was talking about having? I don't know. But something is up with her for sure. She knows way too much. She definitely seems to be in a position where she has power to control things.

I'm loving how things are coming together! I am starting to be at peace with the fact that we're never going to have all the answers to stuff from previous seasons. But I'm cool with it because the story they have woven for this final season is AMAZING. I'm loving every second.

Some questions after last night . . .

How come in some of the ALT flashbacks Desmond has a wedding ring and other times he doesn't? Was that an error or significant to the plot?

Also I think it's clear now that in both universes Daniel is the son of Charles and Eloise . . . but who is Penny's mother? I can't remember if that's ever been mentioned.

oooh I love that about Eloise maybe being the MIB's mother...cool theory.. also Doc Jensen talks about the wedding ring in his article at EW.com...he's always a great read b/c he's such a fan of the show

(and we have never been told who Penny's mother is)

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,2031...20100407-item1

[Nettio]

Originally Posted by mishou

You know, I'm starting to think so. . . . . Maybe she's the "crazy mother" that MIB was talking about having? I don't know. But something is up with her for sure. She knows way too much. She definitely seems to be in a position where she has power to control things.

I think it would be an interesting twist but I'm not sure how that would work since we saw her at age 17 in the 1950s. Wasn't the MIB already around by then?

I did find this on Lostpedia though:

On the Season 3 DVD, Damon Lindelof describes Eloise as "some sort of temporal policeman in place to make sure that everybody who is supposed to get to the island, does." He says this is related to the grand scale of Fate versus free will.

I'm not sure what a "temporal policeman" would do but it fits with her calling something a violation. I think I like "puppetmaster" better.

[Nettio]

Originally Posted by mishou

How come in some of the ALT flashbacks Desmond has a wedding ring and other times he doesn't? Was that an error or significant to the plot?

I don't really believe in errors when it comes to Lost. My theory is that that is actually current time-line Desmond (the one married to Penny and has a child) traveling between the time lines to manipulate the alt-timeline Losties to "see the light" if you will - as in make the connection between the two time lines. I'm not sure why but I think Doc Jensen is probably right in his column about needing the two versions of yourself to be aware of each other in order for the timelines to merge. Maybe Desmond is the link between the two timelines? Plus in the season premiere didn't Desmond disappear off the plane? Maybe that is why?

[MissKim]

You know what's different? Everyone is happy in the new timeline. All the wishes come true. However, some things you just can't change.... Sun being pregnant, Claire having her baby and keeping him, Sawyer being Miles' boss. Some of the basics just aren't changing. I just knew Charlie was going to die last night. I thought Desmond trying to save Charlie's life, and then in the end, watching him die was going to be another "What happens, happens" thing.

I was going to say how much I love Charlie but he was a little sinister last night. I actually love almost every character. I'm totally stoked about a Hurley-centric episode next week because my theory going into this season was that Hurley is the key. Now I think Hurley and Desmond. They're going to save the world together.

With maybe a little help from Daniel.

[mishou]

Originally Posted by nikkiARNGwife

oooh I love that about Eloise maybe being the MIB's mother...cool theory.. also Doc Jensen talks about the wedding ring in his article at EW.com...he's always a great read b/c he's such a fan of the show

(and we have never been told who Penny's mother is)

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,2031...20100407-item1

great. thanks nikki. like i needed another place to spend time reading about lost! lol! actually that was an awesome read. i'll have to go back and read all his others now! i didn't know about him.

i mostly spend my time (ok ALL my time) reading the theories section at this site. a lot of them are completely ludicrous but every now and then you hit on ones that make a lot of sense.

[mishou]

Originally Posted by Nettio

I think it would be an interesting twist but I'm not sure how that would work since we saw her at age 17 in the 1950s. Wasn't the MIB already around by then?

I did find this on Lostpedia though:


I'm not sure what a "temporal policeman" would do but it fits with her calling something a violation. I think I like "puppetmaster" better.

yeah you're right. unless some kind of time travel or body snatching thing is going on, it wouldn't work lol! cuz she'd have to be REALLY old to be his mother if MIB is the same smoke monster that appears in the egyptian-like hieroglyphcs on the temples, etc. although . .. if you think about it, he doesn't exactly look ancient when we see him in the 1860's. and jacob never aged . .. but i think it's too late for something like that to be going on with Eloise's character. not enough episodes left to explain it!

I find that temporal policeman comment REALLY intriguing! only raises more questions than it answers but that's to be expected with Lost lol!

[Giseli Freitas]

HOLY.WOW!!!!

1. I love LOST
2. my most favorite LOST episodes are The Constant (THE BEST episode EVER), Live Together Die Alone and Flashes Before Your Eyes all of them are Desmond episodes (can you see a pattern here?) which bring us to...
3. I love Desmond (and Penny)
4. What will I do w/ my life after the end of it

Originally Posted by Nettio

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That last scene with Desmond creeped me out. I know he's "seen the light" or something but he seemed rather zombie like. It's one thing for him to be agreeable with Widmore but going along with what Sayid said so quickly kind of worries me.

Maybe Desmond finally gained confidence about Penny. He has no more fear about lose her b/c he now knows no matter the reality she will ALWAYS be there as she is his constant. He can do what Widmore says or Sayid says... any sacrifice b/c no matter what Penny will always be there.
Who knew LOST could be romantic that way? Or this is just me being romantic, I don't know... LOL

Saw it 2nd time and occurred me...

[BrattyMeg]

nice article/interview with Henry Ian Cusick in people today http://tvwatch.people.com/2010/04/08...ving-sideways/

I think it's interesting he was originally only signed on for 3 episodes..can't imagine this show w/out him!